From wmsmith1 at embarqmail.com Sun Jul 20 16:28:58 2008 From: wmsmith1 at embarqmail.com (wmsmith1 at embarqmail.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:28:58 -0400 Subject: [LCFinance] Record of EIN Message-ID: <000801c8eaa7$3def7380$f794fea9@desktopsmith> Brooksdale UMC is in need of the information that was submitted for our EIN. This would have been many years ago as our Church is over 100 years old, however I am sure EIN numbers were not required until IRS made that ruling. If other churches have had this problem, please advise how you handled this problem. We have the number, just need to be able to find the paper trail. wmsmith1 at embarqmail.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserv.nccumc.org/pipermail/lcfinance/attachments/20080720/04e8444e/attachment.html From blhollandcpa at yahoo.com Sat Jul 26 11:22:18 2008 From: blhollandcpa at yahoo.com (Barry Holland) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [LCFinance] bank fees from donors' NSF checks Message-ID: <514102.5201.qm@web54403.mail.yahoo.com> What, if anything, do you typically do in response to congregation members whose?offering checks are?returned for insufficient funds?? What if they are "repeat offenders?" Do you try to pass on the bank service charges to them?? (They're probably already getting socked by their own bank.) Do you send them a letter of any type -- if so, what does it say? I'm trying to set a standard policy / procedure for our church finance team, and I'm not sure where to fall within the spectrum?between?All-Forgiving Church (don't make anyone feel bad,?and just eat all the bank fees)?and?Hard-Core Business Church?(losing money?due to donor irresponsibility is bad stewardship). Thanks in advance for your input! ? Barry L. Holland, CPA -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserv.nccumc.org/pipermail/lcfinance/attachments/20080726/24798f44/attachment.html From Don.Horne at tumc-jax.org Sat Jul 26 11:51:16 2008 From: Don.Horne at tumc-jax.org (Don Horne) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:51:16 -0400 Subject: [LCFinance] bank fees from donors' NSF checks References: <5DF4A997823449349CFD48299F9867F3@tumcjax.local> Message-ID: Barry, you might check with your bank and see if they will not charge your church for returned checks. At Trinity UMC, in Jacksonville, where I work, they do not charge for this. Therefore, whenever these matters surface, there is no need to have to wrestle with the decision. I do not, by the way, contact the member. As you said, they already know that the check has been returned, so I feel that they will make the appropriate decision based on their ability at the time. It can't hurt to check with them on this; the worst that they could say is "No". Don Horne Trinity UMC Jacksonville, NC ________________________________ From: lcfinance-bounces at listserv.nccumc.org on behalf of Barry Holland Sent: Sat 7/26/2008 11:30 AM To: Church Treasurer-Finance Listserv Subject: [LCFinance] bank fees from donors' NSF checks What, if anything, do you typically do in response to congregation members whose offering checks are returned for insufficient funds? What if they are "repeat offenders?" Do you try to pass on the bank service charges to them? (They're probably already getting socked by their own bank.) Do you send them a letter of any type -- if so, what does it say? I'm trying to set a standard policy / procedure for our church finance team, and I'm not sure where to fall within the spectrum between All-Forgiving Church (don't make anyone feel bad, and just eat all the bank fees) and Hard-Core Business Church (losing money due to donor irresponsibility is bad stewardship). Thanks in advance for your input! Barry L. Holland, CPA -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner , and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: msg-965-731.txt Url: http://listserv.nccumc.org/pipermail/lcfinance/attachments/20080726/f6034e51/attachment.txt From wmsmith1 at embarqmail.com Sat Jul 26 18:09:38 2008 From: wmsmith1 at embarqmail.com (wmsmith1 at embarqmail.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:09:38 -0400 Subject: [LCFinance] bank fees from donors' NSF checks References: <514102.5201.qm@web54403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003401c8ef6c$4c768000$f794fea9@desktopsmith> Barry, We have never had this problem but I would also ask the bank about dropping the charges. Milton Smith Brooksdale UMC Roxboro, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Holland To: Church Treasurer-Finance Listserv Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:22 AM Subject: [LCFinance] bank fees from donors' NSF checks What, if anything, do you typically do in response to congregation members whose offering checks are returned for insufficient funds? What if they are "repeat offenders?" Do you try to pass on the bank service charges to them? (They're probably already getting socked by their own bank.) Do you send them a letter of any type -- if so, what does it say? I'm trying to set a standard policy / procedure for our church finance team, and I'm not sure where to fall within the spectrum between All-Forgiving Church (don't make anyone feel bad, and just eat all the bank fees) and Hard-Core Business Church (losing money due to donor irresponsibility is bad stewardship). Thanks in advance for your input! Barry L. 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URL: http://listserv.nccumc.org/pipermail/lcfinance/attachments/20080726/83f1ad17/attachment-0001.html From mstheodora at yahoo.com Sat Jul 26 23:58:05 2008 From: mstheodora at yahoo.com (theodora shaw) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [LCFinance] bank fees from donors' NSF checks In-Reply-To: <003401c8ef6c$4c768000$f794fea9@desktopsmith> Message-ID: <34357.41659.qm@web38303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Barry, I'm new, so I've only seen 2-3 instances and all were paid when?the?incident was?brought to their attention;on occasion by their own banks. Most, if not all places that accept checks have visible notices regarding their? establishments fee on returned checks. So we all know it's an unacceptable practice.? A NSF check is a form of theft (in this case, from the Church treasury) and I feel it should be collected.? And if need be, maybe the offender might benefit from a softy spoken word. ? Theodora R. Shaw John Wesley UMC Fayetteville, NC ? ? On Sat, 7/26/08, wmsmith1 at embarqmail.com wrote: From: wmsmith1 at embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [LCFinance] bank fees from donors' NSF checks To: "Local Church Finance Committee and Treasurers" Date: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 6:09 PM #yiv866741277 DIV { MARGIN:0px;} Barry, We have never had this problem but I would also ask the bank about dropping the charges. ? Milton Smith Brooksdale UMC Roxboro, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: Barry Holland To: Church Treasurer-Finance Listserv Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:22 AM Subject: [LCFinance] bank fees from donors' NSF checks What, if anything, do you typically do in response to congregation members whose?offering checks are?returned for insufficient funds?? What if they are "repeat offenders?" ? Do you try to pass on the bank service charges to them?? (They're probably already getting socked by their own bank.) ? Do you send them a letter of any type -- if so, what does it say? ? I'm trying to set a standard policy / procedure for our church finance team, and I'm not sure where to fall within the spectrum?between?All-Forgiving Church (don't make anyone feel bad,?and just eat all the bank fees)?and?Hard-Core Business Church?(losing money?due to donor irresponsibility is bad stewardship). ? Thanks in advance for your input! ? Barry L. Holland, CPA -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ LCFinance mailing list LCFinance at listserv.nccumc.org http://listserv.nccumc.org/mailman/listinfo/lcfinance No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1574 - Release Date: 7/25/08 4:27 PM -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. _______________________________________________ LCFinance mailing list LCFinance at listserv.nccumc.org http://listserv.nccumc.org/mailman/listinfo/lcfinance -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserv.nccumc.org/pipermail/lcfinance/attachments/20080726/bedafa62/attachment.html From krattie at embarqmail.com Sun Jul 27 20:37:16 2008 From: krattie at embarqmail.com (Kathy Rattie) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [LCFinance] bank fees from donors' NSF checks In-Reply-To: <514102.5201.qm@web54403.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <229625042.5784961217205436778.JavaMail.root@md41.embarq.synacor.com> The fee we are charged is only $5 in most cases we can collect it.? Most of the time, the people contact us before we find out that it's been returned. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Holland" To: "Church Treasurer-Finance Listserv" Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:22:18 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: [LCFinance] bank fees from donors' NSF checks What, if anything, do you typically do in response to congregation members whose?offering checks are?returned for insufficient funds?? What if they are "repeat offenders?" Do you try to pass on the bank service charges to them?? (They're probably already getting socked by their own bank.) Do you send them a letter of any type -- if so, what does it say? I'm trying to set a standard policy / procedure for our church finance team, and I'm not sure where to fall within the spectrum?between?All-Forgiving Church (don't make anyone feel bad,?and just eat all the bank fees)?and?Hard-Core Business Church?(losing money?due to donor irresponsibility is bad stewardship). Thanks in advance for your input! ? Barry L. Holland, CPA -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner , and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://listserv.nccumc.org/pipermail/lcfinance/attachments/20080727/28e06472/attachment.html